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Welcome to Girls Just Wanna Get Haunted,

This week, Jasmine and Lacey explore the fascinating history of mediumship, from ancient spirit communication and the Fox Sisters to Victorian séances, spirit photography, and Harry Houdini's crusade against fraudulent mediums. Along the way, we visit famous Spiritualist communities like Lily Dale and Cassadaga and share our own experience receiving a reading from a medium.

Were mediums gifted messengers, clever entertainers, or something else entirely? Grab a drink and join us as we dive into the strange world of talking to the dead.

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Research rabbit holes we fell down...

Aykroyd, Peter. A History of Ghosts.

Mediumship (Wikipedia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediumship

The History of Psychic Readings: From Ancient Times to Modern Practices
https://www.healinglight.co.uk/the-history-of-psychic-readings-from-ancient-times-to-modern-practices/

BBC Religion: History of Spiritualism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/spiritualism/history/history.shtml

"In Good Spirits" – Smithsonian Magazine
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/in-good-spirits-43969706/

"The Tiny New York Town Where Mediums Give Voice to the Dead" – Smithsonian Magazine
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/the-tiny-new-york-town-where-mediums-give-voice-to-the-dead-180987270/

"Cassadaga: America's Oldest Spiritualist Community" – Smithsonian Magazine
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/cassadaga-americas-oldest-spiritualist-community-59033150/

"5 Famous Spiritualists of the 19th Century" – Jillianne Hamilton
https://www.delightfulhistoricals.com/

Well-Known Psychic Mediums – Keen
https://www.keen.com/articles/psychic/well-known-psychic-mediums

Outro Music shoutout to Geoff Harvey - Pixabay

Transcript

Lacey 0:27

Oh, hello he said, "Hold

Jasmine 0:29

me." "I've missed you so much. Hold me." He said, "Hold me." Hold

Lacey 0:31

me.

Jasmine 0:32

Hold me.

Lacey 0:35

Hold me.

Jasmine 0:35

If you don't touch me, I'm gonna stand outside and scream.

Lacey 0:39

If you don't touch me, I'll die.

Jasmine 0:41

Oh, Frisk girl. You in your jammies. All right. There's no fan and I'm warm. Well, yeah, I didn't want it to be like It makes sense. I'm just like, We've had enough, Sound issues. That's what's haunting me. We got new microphones, so hopefully everything sounds so much better. 'Cause I could hear you. I can hear you. It's great.

Lacey 1:09

It is great, but also, we only had, like, one microphone that really worked.

Jasmine 1:13

It worked, just not well.

Lacey 1:16

I'm just, the other one was always quieter.

Jasmine 1:19

Frisker's just gonna make you pet him this entire episode.

Lacey 1:23

Perfect.

Jasmine 1:25

What's haunting you, Lacey?

Lacey 1:30

Hmm. Broken Bird. We watched that movie, and it was awful.

Jasmine 1:35

Broken Bird.

Lacey 1:36

We saw it in theaters.

Jasmine 1:38

Oh, the weird one- Yes about

Lacey 1:39

the

Jasmine 1:39

funeral home?

Lacey 1:40

Yes.

Jasmine 1:41

Ooh, that was strange.

Lacey 1:45

I saw the previews, and I was like, "A girl at a funeral home with baby bangs? I'm here for it."

Jasmine 1:51

All she cares about is the baby bangs. She-

Lacey 1:53

She had a great wardrobe I- Movie was unhinged.

Jasmine 1:56

I love a weird movie. Love a weird movie. That was too weird. That was too weird.

Lacey 2:04

I ag- it was so weird. I just... Um, speaking of movies though, we did finally watch Undertone, which everyone, because we have a podcast, was like, "You need to watch this. It's so scary."

Jasmine 2:19

It was not scary.

Lacey 2:21

We were bored the whole time. We had our phones out. I mean, we didn't see that one in theaters- No so we could have our phones on us.

Jasmine 2:29

Did we watch that other one? Yeah, we did. That was, like, paranormal and her sister was a paranormal investigator and goes missing.

Lacey 2:39

I can't...

Jasmine 2:39

Shelby Oaks.

Lacey 2:40

Yes.

Jasmine 2:41

Yeah, we watched that one too. That one was eh.

Lacey 2:43

Also zoned in and out of that one.

Jasmine 2:45

Cause people were like, "Oh, this is so scary." I'd never heard about it. Didn't like it that much. It was meh.

Lacey 2:52

But I was so excited about Broken Bird. People were like, "Weird Girls, this is for you. This is your next Weird Girl movie."

Jasmine 2:58

Too weird. Too weird.

Lacey 3:00

There is a line, and I'm drawing it there.

Jasmine 3:03

I do love a weird movie, but that one might've been too weird.

Lacey 3:06

I, I agree. Like, I love, like, a weird movie, but, like, mm-mm. And then Undertone, and everyone's like, "It's so scary, and it's about a podcast. It's right up your alley." And I'm like-

Jasmine 3:17

Okay

Lacey 3:18

Yeah, sure, I'll try it." Eh. I think I spent most of the movie trying to figure out where I knew her from.

Jasmine 3:25

Yeah, you're like, "I've seen this person before."

Lacey 3:28

Handmaid's Tale.

Jasmine 3:29

I do that too, where I'm like, "I recognize this actor. Where are you from?"

Lacey 3:35

I think that also might be, like, an autism, AuDHD- ADHD thing.

Jasmine 3:43

I hyper-focus on it until I can remember, and if I don't remember, I just look it up, so.

Lacey 3:50

I'm very good about finding, like, weird side characters that, like, you have to... It's not just, like, an easy find.

Jasmine 3:56

Yeah.

Lacey 3:57

Yeah. I will find them, and it will drive me nuts until I do.

Jasmine 4:02

But- I hate when I'm like, "I know this person from somewhere. I know this person," and then it's not the right person. It's, they just look exactly the same. And I'm like, "Who is this guy? Who is this?"

Lacey 4:13

You're actually just face blind.

Jasmine 4:16

Where did this person come from?

Lacey 4:18

But I guess what's haunting me is I've tried to watch some movies lately, and they have n- not been good. It's been

Jasmine 4:23

a fail. It's been an absolute fail.

Lacey 4:28

Absolute fail.

Jasmine 4:30

What are we talking about today, Lacey?

Lacey 4:32

Honestly, I have no idea, what are we talking about?

Jasmine 4:37

I thought you were gonna ask me, so I just asked you even though it, it, it's my notes.

Lacey 4:43

I'm sorry. As we learned, I don't ask questions. It's a constant problem for other people in my life.

Jasmine 4:51

I'm gonna need you to ask some questions, okay?

Lacey 4:54

What questions? Should I start taking notes of questions I'm supposed to ask you? 'Cause otherwise I won't.

Jasmine 5:00

Maybe. Just have a notes page of what I'm supposed to record for this podcast. Insert stupid conversation here.

Lacey 5:10

You laugh, but my 'tism needs that.

Jasmine 5:16

Well, we're talking about mediums today.

Lacey 5:21

Love mediums.

Jasmine 5:22

Yeah. So-

Lacey 5:24

We almost went to a convention today on mediums.

Jasmine 5:28

Oh, that would've been great, but I don't have any money, so...

Lacey 5:32

I mean, same.

Jasmine 5:33

It's also, like, two and a half hours away. We'll just have to go to a different one.

Lacey 5:36

Also, I didn't know about it till yesterday. Yesterday.

Jasmine 5:39

Yeah, you literally sent a message that was like, "This would be really

Lacey 5:43

cool." And I'm like, "Wait." "That's tomorrow." Yeah, I didn't, I looked at the date and I was like, "Oh, it's, like, the end of May." And then I'm like, "Oh, it is the end of May." "That's tomorrow."

Jasmine 5:54

Crazy.

Lacey 5:57

Let's- Today we're learning how to use a calendar.

Jasmine 6:00

No, that was yesterday- we were learning how to use a calendar. Let's creep into this. What if the dead could still speak? What if grief didn't have to be the end of the conversation? For thousands of years, people across nearly every culture have believed that certain individuals could stand with one foot in our world and one foot somewhere beyond it. They've been called seers, oracles, shamans, mystics, prophets, witches, psychics. But today, we usually call them mediums. And whether you believe they're gifted messengers, master manipulators, or something in between, mediums have shaped religion, culture, politics, and even science for centuries. Today, we're diving into the strange, controversial, emotional, and often theatrical history of mediumship, from ancient temples to Victorian seances, from frauds exposed in candlelight to modern psychic conventions where apparently Lacey and I got readings that were a little too accurate. So dim the lights and let's talk to the dead. At its core, a medium is someone who claims to communicate between the living and the spirit world. Usually, that means speaking with deceased loved ones, but in some traditions it can also mean gods, angels, guides, ancestors, or unseen energies. The word medium literally means middle person, someone between two worlds, and throughout history mediumship has taken many forms. There's different types of mediums, so mental mediums, these are the most common today. They claim to receive messages mentally through clairvoyance, which would be clear seeing, clairaudience, which would be clear hearing, clairsentience or a f- clear feeling, and claircogni- oh, that's a hard word, claircognizance. That's a hard one. Clear knowing.

Speaker 3 8:18

Yeah.

Jasmine 8:19

Basically, they say they receive impressions and translate them. There's trance mediums. These mediums enter altered states of consciousness and claim spirits speak through them, sometimes with different voices, sometimes with different personalities, sometimes delivering long speeches. There's physical mediums, popular in the 1800s. They claimed spirits could physically affect the room through knocking sounds, moving tables, bells ringing, floating objects, materialized hands or faces, ectoplasm. We'll get into the ectoplasm a little later. Yikes. Channelers, a more modern version. Instead of the dead, some claim to channel spirit guides, ascended masters, angels, or cosmic beings. Same basic concept, new branding Before organized religion, before science, before written language, humans buried their dead with tools, food, jewelry, and offerings. That suggests something important. They believed death was not the end. And once people believed the dead continued somewhere, the next logical question was, can we reach them? The earliest history of mediumship, belief in spirit communication is ancient. So long before the Victorian seance, humans were already trying to reach beyond death. In Mesopotamia, 4000 BCE, some of the earliest written records come from Meseta- Me- Mesopotamia. Mm-hmm Priests interpreted dreams, omens, eclipses, and strange natural events as messages from divine forces. Kings often relied on these interpretations before war or political decisions. Imagine invading another kingdom because someone read a goat liver wrong. My bad. My bad, guys. That spot wasn't supposed to be there.

Lacey 10:35

Bring me another liver.

Jasmine 10:36

Ancient Egypt, of course. Uh, who didn't have an Egyptian phase- as a child? 'Cause I did.

Lacey 10:46

Scarabs. Love

Jasmine 10:50

scarabs. Egyptians deeply believed in the afterlife. Priests interpreted dreams, consulted gods, and performed rituals meant to contact divine realms. The dead were thought to remain active and influential, which honestly makes sense from the people who perfected tomb architecture. Ancient Greece gave us one of history's most famous spirit intermediaries The Oracle of Delphi, the Pythia, a priestess of Apollo, would enter trance states and deliver cryptic prophecies. Kings, generals, and common people traveled great distances to ask questions. Her answers were famously vague, which is still a psychic business model today. Romans practiced augury, reading bird flight patterns, animal entrails, natural signs. Basically, if something weird happened, it meant Jupiter had opinions. It was in retrograde, okay? Uh, with the rise of Christianity in Europe, spirit communication became more complicated. Approved visions from saints, acceptable. Mystical revelations, maybe. Village woman speaking to spirits in the woods. That could get dangerous fast. Still, belief never disappeared. Astrology flourished, mystics reported visions, folk healers remained active. People have always wanted answers from something bigger than themselves The 1800s, the spiritualism explosion. Now we hit the true golden ages of mediums. 1848, Hydesville, New York, two sisters, Kate and Margaret Fox. They claimed mysterious knocking sounds in their home were messages from a murdered peddler buried beneath the house. They developed a code, one knock for yes, two for no, and America became obsessed. The Fox sisters became celebrities almost overnight. Crowds packed halls to witness spirit communication, newspapers covered it relentlessly, and a new religious movement was born, spiritualism. This movement exploded for a few reasons. Number one, grief. The 19th century was full of death, disease, child mortality, war. Families desperately wanted proof loved ones still existed. Number two, science was changing religion. Electricity, telegraphs, invisible forces. People thought maybe spirits were just another unseen energy science hadn't explained yet. Number three, women found power here. Many women became mediums, lecturers, and leaders during a time when churches often barred them from authority. Mediumship gave women a public voice. That part is historically huge. Let's talk about some famous mediums of the era. The rise of spiritualism in the 1800s created a brand new kind of celebrity. Before film stars, before influencers, before radio personalities, there were mediums. They packed lecture halls, filled theaters, drew newspaper headlines, and convinced thousands that the dead were only a whisper away. Some were sincere believers, some were brilliant performers, some were both, and a few became some of the most recognizable names of their century. No conversation about famous mediums began anywhere else. In 1848, sisters Margaret and Kate Fox of Hydesville, New York claimed myst- mysterious knocking sounds in their home were messages from a murdered spirit. They developed a coded system of communication through raps in wall- on walls and furniture. One knock for yes, two for no. Simple, dramatic, and wildly effective. Their story spread like wildfire through newspapers and word of mouth. Soon, the sisters were performing public demonstrations, and the modern spiritualist movement was born. Years later, Margaret publicly confessed that the sounds had been made by cracking joints in their feet and toes, and then she later retracted the confession. Even now, historians debate motive, pressure, money, regret, and belief. But whether fraud, prank, or something stranger, the Fox sisters changed history. If the Fox sisters started spiritualism, Daniel Dunglas Home became its greatest showman. Home was one of the most famous mediums in Victorian Europe. Unlike many others, he often refused payment, which supporters pointed to as proof of sincerity. Witnesses claimed he produced table levitations, spirit hands, objects moving on their own, musical instruments playing untouched, messages from spirits, and most famously, levitation. One of the most repeated story claims Home floated out of a third-story window and reentered through another. Believers considered him genuine. Skeptics considered him a gifted illusionist. Either way, Home became one of the most discussed paranormal figures of the 19th century. Can you just imagine walking by someone's house and there's just a guy levitating outside?

Lacey 16:44

That happens to me all the time.

Jasmine 16:45

Oh, that's normal. Cool. Uh, long before women commonly spoke publicly in America, Cora Scott, later known as Cora Hatch, was commanding packed audiences. Beginning as a teenager, Cora would enter trance states on stage and deliver long lectures said to come through spiritual control. Audiences were stunned, not just by the claims, but by her intelligence, eloquence, and confidence. Remember, this was an era when women were expected to remain quiet in public life. Spiritualism gave women a rare platform for re- leadership. Cora later became a pastor in a spiritualist church, and helped shape organized spiritualism in America. For many women, mediumship was not only supernatural, it was political.

Lacey 17:36

Wow, she's so smart for a woman. Wow. Look at those female brains go. She's so good

Jasmine 17:43

at talking. Did you know women could talk?

Lacey 17:47

Was that just a thought? Did you just think something?

Jasmine 17:53

You cannot talk about spiritualism without talking about Victoria Woodhull. She was a suffragist, reformer, stockbroker, publisher, and the first woman to run for president of the United States in 1872. She was also deeply of involved in spiritualism. Woodhull and her sister reportedly used mediumship sessions to earn income and build social connections before entering politics and business. To many women of the era, seances offered something revolutionary: a place where women could speak, lead, be listened to, earn money, be taken seriously. Spiritualism and women's rights movements often overlapped, and Woodhull stood directly at that intersection. As photography became popular, spiritualism adapted quickly. Enter Wil- William H. Mumler, creator of spirit photography. Mumler claimed cameras could capture ghostly images of the dead standing beside the living. His most famous photograph may be of Mary Todd Lincoln, widow of Abraham Lincoln, appearing with the ghostly figure of her husband behind her, hands on her shoulders. To grieving families, these photos were powerful and emotional evidence of life after death. To critics, they were double exposures and back room manipulation. Mumler was eventually taken to court on fraud charges. Though acquitted, his reputation suffered badly, but the idea never died. Even today, paranormal photography still borrows from his blueprint. Born Elizabeth Hope in London, she reinvented herself as Madame Okay, I knew I was gonna struggle with this word. Madame Des- Desperence. Desperence. It looks like disappearance. Madame- Madame Desperence.

Lacey 19:52

Disappearance.

Jasmine 19:53

That's what it looks like. It's a good name, though. It's a good name, right?

Lacey 19:56

Yeah.

Jasmine 19:56

Madame Desperence, a dramatic and highly popular physical medium. She became famous for seances involving moving tables, spirit voices, materi- uh, materialized figures, ecto-pa- ectoplasm, and ghostly flowers appearing in dark rooms. Ectoplasm. Which was usually described as mysterious spiritual matter emerging from the medium's body, which sounds dramatic until you learn it was often later revealed to be cheesecloth. Ghosts really said arts and crafts. Uh, one of her spirit entities named Yolande was exposed when a sister grabbed the apparition and discovered it was Madame Desperence herself. She also claimed to make parts of her body disappear. Despite exposure and skepticism, she retained devoted follow- followers and continued performing for decades. That pattern would become common in the mediumship history. Exposure did not always end belief. Italian medium Eusapia Pal- Palladino became an international sensation in late 1800s and early 1900s. Scientists, scholars, and investigators from across Europe tested her. During seances, witnesses claimed to observe floating tables, touches from invisible hands, curtains moving, instruments playing, objects levitating, yet investigators also repeatedly caught her cheating by freeing her hands or feet and manipulating objects herself. Some researchers dismissed her completely. Others insisted not everything could be explained away. She remains one of history's most controversial mediums. If physical mediums were dramatic, Leonora Piper represented a quieter mystery. An American trance medium, Piper became one of the most studied psychics in history. Researchers from the Society for Phys- for Physical Research observed her for years. She entered trance states and delivered personal information allegedly from spirits. Even skeptical investigators admitted she was difficult to dismiss outright. Some thought fraud, others thought telepathy, others believed spirit communication. Piper became one of the rare mediums taken seriously by academics. Uh, mediumship did not end with the Victorian era. It simply moved to television. Known for the show Crossing Over, John Edward popularized gallery-style readings for modern audiences. He brought mediumship into mainstream daytime television and became one of the most recognized psychic figures of the 2000s. Author, lecturer, and television personality James Van Praagh helped reintroduce spirit communication to mass audiences through books and appearances focused on grief healing. Better known as the Long Island Medium, Theresa Caputo became famous for blending emotional readings with bold personality in a reality TV format. She helped introduce a new generation to mediumship culture. Through Hollywood Medium, Tyler Henry became known for celebrity readings and a younger, more modern image of psychic work. Known as the inspiration for the television sherie- series Medium, Allison DuBois became associated with psychic pr- uh, profiling and criminal investigations. Whether genuine, self-deluded, intuitive, theatrical, or fraudulent, these people mattered because they gave shape to something humans deeply want: proof that death is not the end, and every era creates the medium it needs. The Victorians had dark seance rooms. The 2000s had cable television. Today, we have TikTok live readings. Same desire, different lighting. By the mid to late 1800s, seances were everywhere. Rich people hosted them in parlors. Working families held home circles. Theaters sold tickets. Imagine entering a dark room lit by candles. Love already.

Lacey 24:25

That's my house.

Jasmine 24:28

Everyone joins hands.

Lacey 24:29

That's not my house.

Jasmine 24:33

The medium closes their eyes. A bell rings in the darkness. A table shakes. Someone gasps. A dead husband's name is spoken aloud. That wasn't just entertainment. That was emotional dynamite. What is a seance? A seance is a gathering meant to contact spirits, usually included dim lighting, circle seating, hands joined, a medium leading, questions to spirits, knocks, voices, movement, messages. Victorian seance culture became entertainment, religion, therapy, and a spectacle all at once. Some people attended weekly. Others went like it was live theater. Throughout history, mediums used tools such as spirit trumpets, Ouija boards, automatic writing, pendulums, tarot cards, crystal balls, spirit slates, table tipping, candles and mirrors. Some were symbolic, some theatrical, some may be psychological prompts, and some definitely props Here's the problem. Many mediums were caught cheating repeatedly. Fake spirit hands, hidden assistants, moving tables with knees or feet, cheesecloth ectoplasm- being put places it shouldn't be. Pre-written slate messages, feet pretending to be ghost hands, information gathered beforehand, cold reading techniques. The Fox sisters themselves eventually confessed they created the knock- knocks by cracking joints in their feet.

Lacey 26:22

Disgusting.

Jasmine 26:23

That's wild, by the way.

Lacey 26:25

Wild. I'm just like, how do you... First of all, that's a loud crack.

Jasmine 26:29

Yeah, like I'm trying to make any noise at all with my toes right now and nothing's happening. There's no

Lacey 26:34

way.

Jasmine 26:35

Yeah. Uh, then later partially recanted. Messy doesn't begin to cover it. Because of fraud, the entire field became suspect, and honestly, fair enough.

Lacey 26:48

There's always someone around to ruin something that's real.

Jasmine 26:51

Yeah.

Lacey 26:52

Like, there's just always- If

Jasmine 26:53

you can profit off of it,

Lacey 26:54

yeah. Yeah.

Jasmine 26:57

One of mediumship's biggest enemies was Harry Houdini.

Lacey 27:03

I think that might be my next hyperfixation, honestly. Ab- I knew that was coming.

Jasmine 27:09

She's over here like, "Come on, say it. Say it." After losing his mother, Houdini desperately wanted proof of the afterlife. Instead, he found fraud after fraud. He attended seances undercover, exposed tricks publicly, used his magician's knowledge to explain how miracles were staged. Houdini exposed methods like hidden accomplices, coded language, moving objects in darkness, and fake spirit manifestations. He became one of the loudest public critics of fraudulent mediumship. His crusade made him a hero to skeptics and a villain to believers. Many believers hated him. Many skeptics adored him. His battle with Conan Doyle became symbolic of a larger war, faith versus evidence, hope versus deception. Meanwhile, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, creator of Sherlock Holmes, strongly believed in spiritualism. After personal losses during World War I, Doyle became convinced that mediumship proved survival after death. Arthur Conan Doyle was one of spiritualism's most passionate defenders. He wrote books, gave lectures, attended seances, and publicly defended mediums. His wife, Jean, reportedly practiced automatic writing, where messages were said to flow through the hand unconsciously. Doyle's belief was so strong that it damaged his friendship with Harry Houdini, who spent years exposing fraudulent mediums. It's one of history's strangest celebrity feuds. It remains one of history's greatest ironies. Uh, the man who created fiction's greatest detective believed that mediums were real.

Lacey 28:59

The thing is, though, is I think that Houdini wanted to believe. Yeah. I think that he missed his mom so much that he's like, "I want this to be true." But because Houdini did what he did, he knows how to put on a show.

Jasmine 29:15

Yeah.

Lacey 29:15

He knows the behind-the-scenes, so he knows what to look for to prove that you're fake. I think, in my opinion, that he would've loved to be proven wrong.

Jasmine 29:26

Oh, probably for sure.

Lacey 29:28

Yeah. That's the-

Jasmine 29:29

Maybe he just was unfortunately going to all the wrong shows.

Lacey 29:33

For

Jasmine 29:34

sure. All the wrong seances. Uh, organizations like the Society for Psychical Research investigated mediums scientifically, sometimes exposing fraud, sometimes publishing unexplained cases. To this day, no consistent sciet- scientific evidence has proven mediumship under controlled conditions, but belief remains widespread because human experience is messy, grief is powerful, coincidences happen, and sometimes people walk away from a reading convinced something real occurred. Mediumship never disappeared. It evolved. Now you'll find television mediums, TikTok psychics, Zoom readings, psychic fairs, paranormal conventions, spiritual retreats, online tarot readers. Some focus on healing and closure, some on entertainment. Some seem sincere, and some seem predatory. Same as the 1800s, just with Wi-Fi One of the most surprising parts of this story is that spiritualism did not vanish with the Victorian era. It still has physical communities. There are actual towns and seasonal camps where mediumship, healing services, spirit communication, and spiritualist traditions are still practiced openly today. These places are part religious center, part historical time capsule, part paranormal curiosity, and part tourist destination. And yes, you can still go. If there is a capital city of American spiritualism, it is Lily Dale. Located in Western New York near Cassadaga Lake, Lily Dale began in the late 1800s as a spiritualist summer camp and grew into the most famous spiritualist community in the United States. Today, it is a peaceful village filled with Victorian cottages, tree-lined roads, historic meeting halls, gardens, and walking trails. During the summer season, thousands of visitors come from around the world. What makes Lily Dale unique is that mediumship is still central to everyday life there. Visitors can attend private medium readings, public messages services, healing demonstration, classes on intuition and spiritual development, meditation circles, spiritualist church services, lectures on life after death, healing, and consciousness. Lily Dale also has registered mediums who go through an approval and testing process before practicing there, which supporters say helps maintain standards. The atmosphere is often described as calm, nostalgic, and strangely timeless. Some people visit for serious spiritual reasons. Others come for history, curiosity, or paranormal interest, and many people simply want one thing: the chance to hear from someone they miss. If Lily Dale is the summer capital of spiritualism, Cassadaga, Florida is its warm weather counterpart. Founded in the 1890s, Cassadaga was created as a Southern spiritualist community and remains active today. It is often called the psychic capital of the South. Located near Orlando and Daytona, Cassadaga is a small historic town known for oak-lined streets, old cottages, metaphysical shops, and an atmosphere that feels separate from the outside world. Unlike Lily Dale's seasonal rhythm, Cassadaga functions year-round. Visitors can book mediumship readings, aura and energy sessions, healing services, spiritual counseling, seances and message circles, workshops and classes, and church services at Kobe M- Memorial Temple. Cassadaga also leans more openly into paranormal tourism, so alongside sincere spiritual practice, you'll also find ghost tours, haunted stories, crystals, and med- uh, metaphysical shopping. Locals often speak of spirits as casually as neighbors. Hello, Friskr. Are you, like, googling these places, like adding, adding to the trip?

Lacey 34:01

Um, I'm looking to see

Jasmine 34:02

w-

Lacey 34:03

where it is in Florida.

Jasmine 34:07

I have an excursion coming

Lacey 34:10

Just seeing how far it was from Tampa

Jasmine 34:13

How far is it?

Lacey 34:15

Uh, it's closer to Orlando

Jasmine 34:17

Some visitors arrive grieving, some arrive skeptical, some arrive just curious. Many leave saying the energy there feels different. There are some smaller places. Snowflake Spiritualist Church Group in Arizona is a smaller, long-running camp located in Arizona, providing a quieter, intimate, intermit- intimate setting for spiritualist practices since 1899. Chain Lake Spiritualist Camp in Indiana, an older community founded around 1921, continuing the tradition of spiritualism camp meetings. Wonewoc Spiritualist Camp in Wisconsin, located 30 miles west of the Wisconsin Dells. This historic camp, operating since 1874, is open during summer months, June, July, August. It welcomes visitors to explore the grounds, attend services, or book readings with mediums. These communities survived changing times, scientific criticism, and the collapse of the original spiritualist boom. Why? Because they offer something modern life often doesn't: stillness, hope, ritual, connection, and the possibility, however small, that love continues after death. Even if you don't believe in mediumship, places like Lily Dale and Cassadaga are living pieces of American history where an entire movement never completely disappeared. Oh, no. The flame is flaming. Oh, no. It's fine, I'm sure The flowers catch on fire? Are you trying to shake my sister's hand?

Lacey 36:05

No, seeing how warm it was close to the flowers, it's not warm. Yes, how do you do?

Jasmine 36:12

Uh, new podcast host, my sister.

Lacey 36:16

Who is in an urn, for the record. You guys can't see. There's like an altar next to us with a candle that's flame is going wild.

Jasmine 36:29

Yeah, it is.

Lacey 36:31

And then there's the urn.

Jasmine 36:33

Maybe she likes that we're talking about mediums.

Lacey 36:35

Some dried flowers next to it. I'm sure it's fine.

Jasmine 36:39

From her funeral.

Lacey 36:43

Speaking of mediums.

Jasmine 36:44

Yeah, exactly. Um...

36:48

I laugh so I don't cry.

Lacey 36:50

i'm just very distracted by how tall this flame is getting. It'll

Jasmine 36:53

be fine

Lacey 36:55

The wick isn't even that long. It's crazy

Jasmine 36:58

It's not. It's a, it was a brand-new candle. I think we're just gonna...

Lacey 37:03

Rewind.

Jasmine 37:04

Yeah. Even, blah, blah, blah. Even with skepticism, fraud, and science pushing back, people still seek mediums. Why? Because sometimes people don't want- Why? certainty. Why? Why? Certainty. They want comfort. They-

Lacey 37:23

Why?

Jasmine 37:24

That was so funny. Yeah, it was

Lacey 37:26

really funny. Why? I'm just gonna reread this

Jasmine 37:30

paragraph like six times until it's right.

Lacey 37:34

Sorry. I like to join the conversation without interrupting you, but why? You're

Jasmine 37:40

supposed to join the conversation.

Lacey 37:42

Well, manners. It seems very rude for me to interrupt what you're saying. You're supposed to talk. This is a podcast. I'm talking. I just wait for a pause.

Jasmine 37:52

Why?

Lacey 37:53

Why?

Jasmine 37:56

Because sometimes people don't want certainty.

Lacey 37:59

Why?

Jasmine 38:00

They want comfort. They want one more conversation, one more apology, one more sign, one more I'm still here. That emotional need is timeless. And that brings us to now, why I chose this episode. Um, because after all the history, all the controversy, all the stories of fraud and faith, Lacey and I recently sat down with a medium at a convention. The reading began, and some of the details were specific enough that we looked at each other like, "Hold on." "How would they know that?"

Lacey 38:45

And you absolutely gave nothing away.

Jasmine 38:47

Yeah, I was like n- Stone-faced not giving any information at all. No. So next, we're going to tell you exactly what happened. Did we experience something genuine? Uh, were we cold read? Did this person somehow know things they shouldn't? But let's just say it left us with more questions than answers, which may be the most authentic medium experience possible. As soon as we walked by this medium's table, I was like, "I want a reading from her."

Lacey 39:20

I saw her the day before-

Jasmine 39:22

Yeah

Lacey 39:22

and she was always busy.

Jasmine 39:24

Yeah. And f- you were on the fence. You were like, "Oh, maybe I'll go get a tarot reading from that guy over there."

Lacey 39:31

Yeah. I really, I really want a palm reading. That's, like, my hyperfi- not my hyperfixation, but that's, like, my obsession right now in this realm of things, is I want a palm reading. Someone touch my hand. Yeah. I'm touch starved. I just want you to...

Jasmine 39:52

I rubbed your head earlier. Dang.

Lacey 39:55

It wasn't my hand, though. I also really want, like, a facial, and I keep seeing videos of head spas, and I'm just like, "Ugh, I want that so bad."

Jasmine 40:05

Okay. So- At the convention we went to.

Lacey 40:11

Day

Jasmine 40:12

two. Well, day one we were walking around looking at everything. Right. Day two, I think we kind of went... There wasn't necessarily anything we needed to do on day two. I just kept saying, "Oh, I kinda just wanna look around one more time." But it's because I wanted to go to this medium

Lacey 40:29

and get a- Which you didn't mention I didn't. You're just like, "I just, like, wanna walk around."

Jasmine 40:32

No, I knew why I wanted to walk around.

Lacey 40:35

I'm just... You had not mentioned. Yeah,

Jasmine 40:36

I didn't say anything.

Lacey 40:38

But we already had tickets. Like, we paid for the multi-day pass.

Jasmine 40:41

Yeah. So-

Lacey 40:42

So-

Jasmine 40:43

Might as well look around

Lacey 40:44

Might as well.

Jasmine 40:45

Might as well go to the medium. She is called Oracle Pink. You can find her on Instagram. And She was scary accurate. Like, I think our f- we, it was Lacey and another friend of ours, they were like behind me for a while, 'cause there wasn't like... There was like two chairs, like the chair that I was sitting in, a chair next to me, but there was three of us. So our friend was like sitting next to the stage or like on the ground, and you were like standing there, and you eventually sat down with me.

Lacey 41:29

Yeah, 'cause she didn't like wanna sit. I'm like, "Do you wanna just sit on the floor?" And she's like, "No, I'll just stand." I'm like, "I don't wanna stand anymore."

Jasmine 41:36

Well, the r- the reading was a while.

Lacey 41:38

Yeah.

Jasmine 41:38

I can't remember. Did I get like a 30-minute reading?

Lacey 41:42

Or longer. I don't remember.

Jasmine 41:44

Yeah. M- I did the longest reading, 'cause I was like, I wanna

Lacey 41:49

know- I think it was like 45 minutes or something.

Jasmine 41:51

I don't know. But I really didn't like give her any information at all- No or say there was like anything specific that I was looking answers for. I was just- Nothing I kinda just wanna see what's going on, you know? And she starts talking about someone with dark hair from my past is coming back into my life, and it's really important, and we're gonna col- collaborate, and it's gonna be something major in our lives. And Lacey's just like vibrating- behind me, like talking to Chrissy like, "I hope it's me. I hope it's me." I

Lacey 42:30

don't think I was quite vibrating, but-

Jasmine 42:37

When you were getting your reading, that's what Chrissy said. She's just like, she- Lacey kept saying, "I hope it's me." I had to make her come sit down next to me. But yeah, so that person probably is Lacey. We've been friends since high school. She moved away. She left me for Pennsylvania. Um-

Lacey 43:03

When I moved back, by the way, I had jet black hair.

Jasmine 43:07

That's true. I

Lacey 43:08

forgot. Like I was picturing out, like the first outing we did, we went to like Hacienda, and there's a picture of me, and you're like, "Look who I ran into."

Jasmine 43:15

Yeah.

Lacey 43:15

And like I had jet black hair.

Jasmine 43:17

I completely forgot your hair was black. Um, but since you've been back in Michigan, we've pretty much been attached at the hip. Uh, and co- uh, collaboration, podcast.

Speaker 3 43:34

Podcast.

Jasmine 43:36

Um, this year I will go through a lot of changes for the better. Um, a lot of stuff about separation and loss came up- Boy, oh boy. Was that right. Um, she sees me traveling a lot, possibly for new opportunities. Um, which was also kind of crazy because I had been traveling a ton for work at the time, but also we had multiple trips planned. Multiple.

Lacey 44:16

We were

Jasmine 44:16

at a trip.

Lacey 44:17

Yeah, we were on a trip.

Jasmine 44:19

For paranormal stuff. Yeah. And we're always talking about places that we want to go. So that's crazy already. Um, she... Yeah, she's talking about, like, maybe going on a trip with friends, driving in a car with lots of people, traveling. Um, she saw, like, an older music venue or something and was like, "You need to work on your public speaking," which was weird. But then she's also like, "Or m- maybe you... Like, if there's a concert coming up that you really wanna go to, maybe you should go to that, especially if that's an old venue and stuff." Like, sh- I mean, she doesn't know I love going to concerts. Right. That's so random, too. Like-

Lacey 45:07

And it's not like you were wearing a concert shirt that day either.

Jasmine 45:10

No, yeah. Um, she kept talking about a ring that was black onyx, and she, like, literally drew a picture of this ring, uh, which black onyx is, like, my favorite stone.

Lacey 45:26

Which is wild, 'cause you are, like... You keep buying black onyx rings, like, right around this time.

Jasmine 45:33

Yeah. And also, I wore some the day before when we didn't talk to her. I wasn't wearing any rings this day. I forgot to put them on. They were, like, in my luggage or something in the car. So it's crazy for her to, like, bring it up when I'm- Right not wearing anything.

Lacey 45:50

Yeah, to be so specific.

Jasmine 45:52

And this is, like, a ring that I've look... not looked at, but, like, I've looked at a similar shape before, 'cause I was like, I love this ring. Mm-hmm. This is amazing. She said I was gonna get engaged. I don't know about all that. She kept saying, like, three was an important number. She talked about my soulmate and said I would meet them spontaneously.

Lacey 46:20

It took you a while in the reading to ask if this person was someone you were with now

Jasmine 46:25

Yeah, she kept, like, talking about this, like, soulmate person, and then I wasn't giving her any information at all. No. I was just like, "Mm-hmm," nodding my head. Mm-hmm. And she's like, "Okay, we've, we've gone through this. We have, like, this many minutes left. I'm not letting you leave until you ask me a question." And so like, okay. So I was like, "Of- is this soulmate person you're talking about, is it, like, someone I kn- I know now?" And she's just like, "Oh, do you have a picture?" And I'm like, "No." And she's like, "Everyone has social media. Show me a picture." And I was like, "No." So I did, and she's like, "Oh, oh, no. You and this person, this person looks like this, and you're gonna meet spontaneously."

Lacey 47:13

What's really funny is she's like, "There's someone walking around that kinda looks like what I'm seeing." And it... The way she described it, described him sounded like the guy the night before.

Speaker 3 47:26

Ed.

Lacey 47:27

Ed. I

Speaker 3 47:32

did

Lacey 47:34

not like Ed. The Egyptian theater. But like, Chrissy and I were dying, like our other

Speaker 3 47:36

friend, like-

Lacey 47:37

Ed. Just immediate- we're like, "Ed?"

Speaker 3 47:41

Ed.

Lacey 47:43

She's like, "There's a guy walking around. I don't see him today." And we're both just like,

Jasmine 47:49

Ed."

Lacey 47:49

Not really thinking it's him, but just it was funny from the night before.

Jasmine 47:54

Yeah. Crazy. Um- But yeah, she's like, "No, that person's your friend," basically. She talked about, like, a white house she was drawing, and she said something about me, um, traveling to maybe Washington, and I was like, "I don't know why I would do that unless I'm going on a Twilight road trip." Um, but basically this is a year of self growth and focusing on myself and letting go, uh, and I will grow spiritually and personally. She talked about, um... Well, she kept saying that it felt like she was talking to a grandmotherly figure, which adds up, 'cause I don't have any grandparents left. And she was kinda like, "You gotta stop being lazy. You need to go back to your hobbies. Your hobbies make you happy. You need to do some decluttering around the house," which is

Lacey 48:58

so true. Yeah, Jess was very called out for that one.

Jasmine 49:03

Yeah. She said something about one of my animals is trying to tell me, like, there's stuff I need to do around the house, too. Like, she, as soon as, like, I opened up a little bit, she was like, "Okay, now that you've asked me a question, I'm getting so much more information."

Lacey 49:21

You were like a stone wall. You were like, "I'm not telling you nothing."

Jasmine 49:26

Yeah. Well, I, I didn't wanna give her anything. I wanted to know what she said. Which makes sense,

Lacey 49:31

yeah.

Jasmine 49:31

And at the end, I'm like, "Everything you've said is spot on. This is so crazy. I don't even know how to react right now."

Lacey 49:38

Yeah, you were definitely in shock. Yeah. I think even, like, on the way home, we, like, stopped and ate, and I think you were... Chrissy and I were just like, "Is she

Jasmine 49:46

okay?"

Lacey 49:48

You were just very in your head, just like- processing.

Jasmine 49:52

It was so much information. A

Lacey 49:54

lot of information,

Jasmine 49:55

yeah. Yeah. And it's, like, a lot of, like, life, possibly life-changing information.

Lacey 50:02

Yeah, like, it was crazy.

Jasmine 50:05

Yeah.

Lacey 50:05

It wasn't just like, "You're gonna pick up a new hobby. You're gonna be really into gardening now." It was just like, "Your life's gonna turn upside down. You're gonna get a new job. You're gonna move across the country. You're gonna have a-

Jasmine 50:16

You're gonna lose some stuff.

Lacey 50:18

Yeah.

Jasmine 50:18

Some very, very important stuff.

Lacey 50:20

Yeah. Like, it was a lot of-

Jasmine 50:22

Something about, like, a- A, a con- signing a contract or something too. Like, I don't know. It was a lot of stuff, and I was just like, "I was not expecting this reading to go the way it did."

Lacey 50:37

Knowing what I know now, I wish I would've recorded the whole thing.

Jasmine 50:41

I do too, and she even said that during my reading. She's like, "This is such a powerful reading. I wish you were recording this."

Lacey 50:47

Yeah.

Jasmine 50:48

And me too.

Lacey 50:49

Yeah.

Jasmine 50:52

But yeah, after my reading, Lacey was like, "Okay, it's my turn."

Lacey 50:57

Well, like, and I definitely was just like, "I kinda wanna be this friend." And, like, everything she was saying to me led to the podcast, and I'm just like, "Okay, I believe her."

Jasmine 51:09

Yeah.

Lacey 51:10

So I, like, went in there, like, not holding anything back. I'm like, "She's already proved herself with Jasmine. I'm ready to go." And, like, I only did the short one. I was like, "First of all, we've been sitting here forever. I'm not gonna

Jasmine 51:21

make-" Yeah, my bad.

Lacey 51:22

Well, I just didn't wanna make everyone continue to sit.

Jasmine 51:25

Oh, I wouldn't have cared.

Lacey 51:26

I just- I did the shorter one. Yeah.

Jasmine 51:29

And I,

Lacey 51:29

it, I...

Jasmine 51:32

Also- You still got a lot of information about- I,

Lacey 51:34

yeah, I agree.

Jasmine 51:35

Yeah. But you were like, "Am I the friend?"

Lacey 51:39

Immediately. She's like,

Jasmine 51:40

she's like, "You know, I thought it was one of you two over there." "But I couldn't

Lacey 51:46

tell which one." I also liked how we were on the, sitting on the floor waiting for you, and the guy we had talked to the day before, like, was like, "Oh, is, is, are we forming a line?"

Jasmine 51:56

Yeah. He, he was also like, "You're next to Chrissy." And she's like, "No, I'm not." Nope, nope. I ruined readings for her 'cause she had a bad tarot reading by me. All the cards were like, "Whoa, are you okay?" And she's like-

Speaker 3 52:11

No, I'm not."

Lacey 52:16

She asked, the first thing she asked was like, "Do you have pets?" And I was like, "Yeah," like, "I have one." And she was definitely shocked that I only had one. And then she's like, "Do you have a lot of deceased pets?" And I'm just like, "Nope." Like, so that was weird. And she says that I'm a Dolittle, which I, like I definitely believe that. Like, I-

Jasmine 52:39

My animals love you, and they don't love everybody.

Lacey 52:43

Your animals are like, also... Like, they have medical issues- Yeah that strangers can't be around them. They have to be medicated-

Jasmine 52:51

Yeah

Lacey 52:52

for things. And like, I watch your animals whenever you need or whatever. Yeah. And-

Jasmine 52:58

With no issues

Lacey 53:00

right, like no issues. So look, I get that. Um, animals are definitely drawn to me. I think that was probably my favorite thing of the reading, though. I

Jasmine 53:08

was just like- I like the Dolittle.

Lacey 53:10

She's like, "You're a Dolittle." Like, I'm glad I got the reference.

Jasmine 53:14

You're like, "Huh?"

Lacey 53:16

I actually, I

Jasmine 53:18

know who

Lacey 53:19

she is. Um, she also said I communicate with them. Oh.

Jasmine 53:24

I mean, you were talking to Frisk earlier.

Lacey 53:27

Yeah, we had deep conversations. I did have that really weird dream that your cats kept calling me Patty.

Jasmine 53:37

Okay, Patty.

Lacey 53:38

I was like, "What?" It's a very strange dream. Um, we didn't, we didn't bring up specifics, but like she did say that, yes, I am that friend. Um, she sees me in front of a computer, um, doing a job that I didn't even know was like a thing that I could do for money.

Jasmine 54:01

Ooh. OnlyFans.

Lacey 54:04

Oh, I know that's a thing. But like now as I'm researching with my computer, I'm just like- could I be a researcher? Like-

Jasmine 54:13

Oh, definitely

Lacey 54:14

go down like rabbit holes for people. You

Jasmine 54:17

100% can do that as a job.

Lacey 54:19

But me personally, could I somehow figure out?

Jasmine 54:22

Yeah, I'm sure you could.

Lacey 54:24

Anyway, um, she also says that... She asked us if we filmed for our podcast, and I said no, and she says we need to start being in front of a camera.

Jasmine 54:35

Ugh, can you imagine?

Lacey 54:36

No. No, I cannot. Um, she also said that I am the boss, like I'm in charge of scheduling because I'm organized.

Jasmine 54:48

Mm-hmm.

Lacey 54:49

And I'm just like, that is not how Jasmine and I relationship has ever worked. I do not like being in charge.

Jasmine 54:56

I'm like, "You're the boss now."

Lacey 54:57

And I'm like, "No, I am not." I get scheduling, 'cause like it makes her mad, but when we get together, I'm always asking Jasmine, I'm like, "Is this your time or my time?"

Jasmine 55:10

How dare you?

Lacey 55:11

Exactly. She's, like, 15 minutes late to everything-

Jasmine 55:15

I'm sorry if not more. I get so distracted. It's how my brain works.

Lacey 55:21

And if I'm not, like, 15 minutes early, I'm late. I, like, panic.

Jasmine 55:27

I'm stuck on the highway. I'm gonna be late for work.

Lacey 55:30

Oh my God, I was in traffic, and they, like, took the highway down to one lane. Yeah, and I'm texting Jasmine like, "I'm gonna be late." I don't... Like, I am panicking.

Jasmine 55:41

And I'm like, "And I'm gonna tell everybody." I'm like, "Would

Lacey 55:44

you stop?" Like, this is my worst nightmare. I am so scared right now. I don't wanna be late. I'm gonna tell everyone.

Jasmine 55:53

And I'm literally- the person you have to tell if you're going to be late, like.

Lacey 55:59

Right? Like, as our job, Jasmine is my boss. Like, that is not how this works. But yeah. When we go places, I'm like, "Is this your time or my time?"

Jasmine 56:11

Yep, last

Lacey 56:11

night- And all our friends- go- are also this way. They... Like, we had a Christmas party at my house, and everyone's like, "I'm gonna be late." And someone's like, "Oh, thank God, 'cause I'm gonna be late, too." 45 minutes after we were supposed to get together, I'm, like, ready to go, and they're like, "I think I'm almost there." I'm like... 45 minutes later, like. It's usually not that bad. It's usually just me.

Jasmine 56:39

I was the last one there.

Lacey 56:41

That's true, but they were all late. And I'm wondering, they're like, "We don't wanna get there before Jasmine."

Jasmine 56:48

I doubt that was it. But,

Lacey 56:50

like, I am definitely, if I am not at least 10 to 15 minutes early, I am late.

Jasmine 56:55

Yeah. You're... I mean, you're always like, like even last night you were like, "So are we planning a time or you're, you just gonna text me?" 'Cause I'm always like, "Well, I kinda wanna sleep in."

Lacey 57:12

I'm like, "Just pick a roundabout hour- and if you wanna change it, let me know. But I like to have a time to shoot for. I don't wanna still be, like, in bed at 11:30 when Jasmine's like, 'I'm on my way.'" Which wouldn't happen- Yeah

Jasmine 57:27

because- No

Lacey 57:28

I usually message you like, "Oh, this happened." Yeah. But again, I'm- I need a schedule. It's insane. You're

Jasmine 57:38

in charge of scheduling.

Lacey 57:40

That's fine. I don't wanna be in charge of anything else.

Jasmine 57:42

You're the boss now.

Lacey 57:44

No

Jasmine 57:45

way. I think I even was sitting in the chair at this point and, like, laughed and was like, "You're the boss."

Lacey 57:50

Yeah, and I turned and glared at you- like, "No, I am not."

Jasmine 57:54

And she's just like, "Yes." No.

Lacey 58:00

Um, she said my spirit guide is an older woman with red hair and was wearing a white blouse. Hmm. That meant nothing to me, but I think a lot of spirit guides, which in my head I always picture family members, but I don't think they are most- They can not be s- Right. I think when you talk about mediums, not that I'm a medium, but, like, your spirit guides are, like, people who have chosen you from birth- Mm usually. Like, they've just, they're with you. But mine was an older woman with red hair.

Jasmine 58:34

Interesting.

Lacey 58:36

I don't-

Jasmine 58:36

I didn't hear that part

Lacey 58:37

I don't think there's anyone in my family that... My mom had red hair when she was younger, but- She's

Jasmine 58:44

still with us, by the way I was like, "Your mom that's still alive?"

Lacey 58:46

I was trying to picture red hair. Um, I'm going to have a lot of people who want to collaborate with me, and an older male father figure is going to come into my life as a mentor. I don't know about that. That's what I was told. I'm just like, I'm like looking around the convention like, "Is it one of these people?" And we had just talked to the other guy that does tours, I think, in Chicago too. He was, like, at the end with all the TVs. Mm-hmm. And I'm just like, "I think it's, like, one of these guys." You're like, "Will you be my dad?" Father figure who is a mentor. Daddy? No. Nope. And then when, like, we were talking about how we currently work together, she's like, um, she saw an industrial metal kitchen counter where tickets go. And I'm like, "Oh, that's kinda weird. That's-"

Jasmine 59:55

Oh, I didn't hear that. Oh,

Lacey 59:56

you didn't? No. And I was like, "That's 'cause I'm a line cook currently." Like-

Jasmine 1:00:00

Yeah, that's crazy.

Lacey 1:00:02

Right? She's like, "Yeah, I'm picturing, like, a metal industrial, and, like, tickets go." I'm like...

Jasmine 1:00:10

You're like, "Yeah, and?"

Lacey 1:00:12

And... Um, she also said that we won't be there long at all. She's like, "Yeah, you guys won't be there long."

Jasmine 1:00:19

Me has been at this job for 18 years.

Lacey 1:00:23

84 years. But I think in yours she said that, like, you won't be there long, and, like, your job's grown stagnant. Yeah. I very specifically remember the word stagnant. Yeah. Again, I wish I would've recorded this. Oh, me too. Right?

Jasmine 1:00:41

Now I know for future readings-

Lacey 1:00:44

Yes

Jasmine 1:00:44

record this.

Lacey 1:00:45

Record.

Jasmine 1:00:46

Yeah.

Lacey 1:00:46

Um, she said that I need to let people in. I have a hard time trusting and letting someone in, but I'll be better for it

Jasmine 1:00:55

Like if you let people in, you'll be better for it

Lacey 1:00:57

Apparently.

Jasmine 1:00:59

You don't have to let everyone in, just some people.

Lacey 1:01:01

I need to let more people in apparently.

Jasmine 1:01:03

Not everybody, though.

Lacey 1:01:04

Just more.

Jasmine 1:01:06

Yes.

Lacey 1:01:06

I'm very like- Mm-mm. Open up.

Jasmine 1:01:09

Open right now. Let me in there. You will open up. Let me in there.

Lacey 1:01:14

Um, she also said that you and I will have jealousy issues, and I think I just turned to look at you like- For what? I, like the podcast, I think that's like where our contract came in.

Jasmine 1:01:25

Oh, it's because I'm gonna replace you with Jessica.

Lacey 1:01:28

Listen here. You get today and if you ever bring it up again...

Jasmine 1:01:37

It's such a good one, though. This is such a good dream. It's so funny.

Lacey 1:01:42

It's not funny to me.

Jasmine 1:01:47

Oh, the jealousy is coming in. I see it.

Lacey 1:01:49

Is it?

Jasmine 1:01:50

Yeah. Your eyes turned to flames.

Lacey 1:01:52

Oh. I thought they just watered- 'cause I was gonna cry.

Jasmine 1:01:56

No, no, no, they turned to flames.

Lacey 1:01:58

Um, I finally asked about romantic partners, 'cause she did not bring that up at all for me.

Jasmine 1:02:05

And did she say what romantic partner?

Lacey 1:02:09

She's... Like, I... She's like, "You don't, you don't date." And I'm like, "I do not."

Jasmine 1:02:16

Facts.

Lacey 1:02:17

She, she said, um, "I'll be too busy for a while, but I will meet, um, I will meet him and become friends first," which, like, makes sense to me, because I've always told Jasmine that, like, I can't have someone ask me on a date. Like, I need to have, like, someone trick me into it. And then, like, one day I just be like-

Jasmine 1:02:37

Are we dating?

Lacey 1:02:38

Are we... And Jasmine's like, "Kinda like our friendship." And I'm

Jasmine 1:02:41

like,

Lacey 1:02:42

Yeah, like 15 years down the line-" I'm just gonna be like, 'Are we dating?'"

Jasmine 1:02:51

Didn't she say it was gonna be, like, a paranormal person?

Lacey 1:02:54

Yeah. Um, so he will be into this stuff too. He'll have tattoos, red hair. Um, he'll be shorter than I'd like. Um, I think she said he'd be stocky. I think stocky was the word that

Jasmine 1:03:10

she used. Stocky.

Lacey 1:03:11

Um, very funny. Um- That's what you need in your life she kept wanting to say prankster, but decided on clown. But, like... So it made sense to me, because, like, I do not like pranks. They're not funny to me.

Jasmine 1:03:26

Yeah.

Lacey 1:03:26

I feel like pranking most of the time is mean. Mean,

Jasmine 1:03:29

yeah.

Lacey 1:03:30

And that, like... She's like, "I wanna say prankster, but, like, it's... He's not a prankster. He's just kind of a, a clown. Like, he's just very funny." And, like, I definitely need someone, like, to riff off of, like a- Yeah

Jasmine 1:03:45

podcast.

Lacey 1:03:46

Someone very boring and not funny, like... Can you imagine me just, like, joking around, they're like, "That's not funny." I'm like, "Actually, it is." That's stupid. Your jokes are stupid. They're stupid. Um, she said to keep my big plans to myself, 'cause haters will try and steal my opportunities.

Jasmine 1:04:07

Haters gonna hate.

Lacey 1:04:09

Haters gonna hate.

Jasmine 1:04:10

Mm-mm-mm.

Lacey 1:04:12

Which, like,

Jasmine 1:04:13

I feel like- Sounds right for you

Lacey 1:04:18

People can't ruin what they don't know about.

Jasmine 1:04:21

I like how keep your big plans to yourself, but you need to open up more.

Lacey 1:04:26

Right? You need to let more people in- but don't talk about your big plans.

Jasmine 1:04:29

Yeah. Small talk only.

Lacey 1:04:32

Which, like I, I feel like I've had to become a very closed person about what I'm doing. Like, I feel like I shouldn't talk about a lot of stuff 'cause it gets used against me. Yeah Which is terrible. Oh. Is it?

Jasmine 1:04:51

Yeah. Oh, that's just my life. No, terrible.

Lacey 1:04:53

Um, she said there's a lot of jealousy with the women on my mom's side, and I immediately heard you talking to Chrissy, like- Did you? going like, yeah. You're like, "That is so true." The women, immediately.

Jasmine 1:05:08

Like, Chrissy was like, "Shh, I pulled her over here during her, your reading because she was acting like this."

Lacey 1:05:17

We just, we just know each other so well that like- I also think that like, I don't have boundary issues, but like I get excited for things that like I do kind of vibrate a little. Yeah. So like, she's like, "I, uh-"

Jasmine 1:05:33

She's like, "Lucy, over here right now."

Lacey 1:05:38

Um, but the jealousy issues, they'll stop with me, but I'm wondering if it's 'cause I'm not having children, so the line stops with me. Like, I'm not creating more of this line.

Jasmine 1:05:51

I'm done.

Lacey 1:05:52

I'm, no kids.

Jasmine 1:05:54

Done.

Lacey 1:05:55

Um, she said I'll also be making way more money, and like I'm here for it, please. Aren't

Jasmine 1:06:00

we all?

Lacey 1:06:01

Right? I think she said that to me too. Um, I think my favorite, I even wrote it down like in asterisks in here, is my favorite thing from yours is she said, "Men who don't have good relationships with their mothers can't be good partners." That's true. It is true. And it's just like it stuck out so much to me when she said it to you, and I'm just like,

Jasmine 1:06:27

like that's- We didn't have to get in that deep to that part.

Lacey 1:06:29

No, just that part. I'm not like, just- I like that quote.

Jasmine 1:06:34

Yeah.

Lacey 1:06:34

I think it's a good- It's true bit of information- Yeah to keep, you know, in your back pocket- Mm-hmm of notice how men are with their mothers.

Jasmine 1:06:42

Yeah.

Lacey 1:06:43

Cause if they don't have a good relationship there, then they don't know how to be a good partner.

Jasmine 1:06:48

Yeah. I mean, it could be the opposite too if they're too close-

Lacey 1:06:52

Oh, yes, also to their mothers. But that's also, I wouldn't consider that a good relationship. That's

Jasmine 1:06:57

weird. Oh, definitely not. Yeah.

Lacey 1:07:00

I just, I just keep picturing like the, the red hair and the stocky and like paranormal, like-

Jasmine 1:07:06

but yeah, uh, I think it was absolutely crazy.

Lacey 1:07:10

Yes. I also liked her cards.

Jasmine 1:07:14

She used, like, different cards for, like, different sections of the reading for me. You got the shorter reading, so I don't know if she used more than one deck for you, but-

Lacey 1:07:25

She definitely had, like, a Beatles deck.

Jasmine 1:07:27

Yeah. She, like, used that for a specific section. She's like, "Okay, we're gonna talk about this, we're gonna talk about this." It's, like, broken down into, like, three or four sections.

Lacey 1:07:35

But I think she had, like, two sets- of the same version, and one was colored and one was not. Yeah. And they were, like, laminated- Yeah almost. It was

Jasmine 1:07:44

like- They probably get a whole lot of use.

Lacey 1:07:47

Yeah. I can't imagine doing so much, like, with your tarot cards- Yeah and, like, you'd have to go through decks if you used them that much.

Jasmine 1:07:57

Oh, yeah.

Lacey 1:07:58

I don't know. I was fascinated by the tarot cards. Did you say, "Oh, I love your cards"? No, I didn't. But yeah. I think she was, like, in your reading in that point, and I- Chrissy, like, holding me back physically, like, "Just let me at them." "Let me at them."

Jasmine 1:08:11

But yeah, uh, her name is Oracle Pink. She is on Instagram, and she also has a website. So you could- She's

Lacey 1:08:19

also on TikTok.

Jasmine 1:08:21

Is she on TikTok?

Lacey 1:08:22

Yeah.

Jasmine 1:08:22

I haven't, I haven't seen her TikTok.

Lacey 1:08:24

Yeah. She pops up on my feed 'cause I think I follow her.

Jasmine 1:08:27

What the heck? I wanna follow her.

Lacey 1:08:30

I think she's on there, I think, doing readings, like, quick readings, and I think she tries to raise money for... She works with, she work with law enforcement trying to find missing-

Jasmine 1:08:42

Yeah, she said she's helped with cases, trying to find, like, missing people or on specific, like-

Lacey 1:08:48

Yeah, I think she's big, not on human trafficking, I think she's big in trying to help- Yeah find the people that are being trafficked.

Jasmine 1:08:55

Yeah.

Lacey 1:08:56

But I think she raises money for that, so I think she's on TikTok a lot.

Jasmine 1:09:00

Oh, for that. That makes sense.

Lacey 1:09:02

Which is weird, as you, the TikTok person.

Jasmine 1:09:05

She's never popped up for me. That's crazy. I

Lacey 1:09:08

think I went and looked for her, though.

Jasmine 1:09:10

I didn't look for her TikTok. I looked f- I have her Instagram that I follow her, and, uh, her website, because you can go on her website and you can schedule a reading with her, so- Which

Lacey 1:09:23

you still-

Jasmine 1:09:24

I technically have, like- it's like a 10-minute reading or a 15-minute reading or something, um, since I paid for the, the longer reading at the convention. Um-

Lacey 1:09:34

Oh, you got like a bonus remote reading.

Jasmine 1:09:36

Yeah. So we do like a, a Zoom call

Lacey 1:09:40

that we- Which I hate that. I hate phone calls. I don't wanna-

Jasmine 1:09:44

I get it. I'm used to like meetings for work though now. So a lot of things are like Zoom meetings or Zoom, so I get it. Or people who just like to talk through FaceTime, like that's a thing now.

Lacey 1:09:58

Ugh.

Jasmine 1:09:59

Yeah. So I get it, 'cause you can't always-

Lacey 1:10:02

Nothing against her at all. Oh, yeah, no. Just me as a person, that sounds disgusting.

Jasmine 1:10:07

Yeah, you can't always see someone or channel something.

Lacey 1:10:12

Like anytime Jasmine and I call each other, it's panic.

Jasmine 1:10:15

Hello?

Lacey 1:10:16

Yeah. Answering the phone. Hello? "Hello, what's wrong? Are you okay?" One time I called you and you missed it, and you're like, "I almost just drove to your house." I

Jasmine 1:10:23

did almost just drive to your house. I

Lacey 1:10:25

thought you like fell down a well all of a sudden. I have wells.

Jasmine 1:10:28

You have an old house. You, maybe you had an old well- in your yard that you didn't know about that you fell in.

Lacey 1:10:35

I'm at the store trying to figure out how many boxes of rice she wants.

Jasmine 1:10:39

And I think she fell in a well, okay?

Lacey 1:10:43

We really need to start calling each other just to get that panic out.

Jasmine 1:10:45

I literally said that to Chrissy when I, 'cause I, when I was like doing my rounds- to give bad news. Chrissy was my last call, and I just go, "Hey, can I call you for a minute?" And I call her and she goes, "Hello?" And I go, "Look, I love you all dearly, and I've had to call and talk to all of my friends recently. We need to stop doing this to each other."

Lacey 1:11:13

Yeah, if there's a phone call, it's panic. Like- what's wrong? Usually Jasmine's on the other side crying.

Jasmine 1:11:20

Yeah.

Lacey 1:11:22

Yeah, like, "Hello?" And just, "Hello. Can I come over?" Or,

Jasmine 1:11:29

Do you wanna ride with me to the vet?" Yeah. Tragedy after tragedy. Um, but yeah, amazing reading. Want to get more readings. I've had like a tarot reading done before. It was a couples reading though. It wasn't like a personal reading. Hmm. So that was very interesting. But like this reading was crazy.

Lacey 1:11:52

Crazy.

Jasmine 1:11:53

And so accurate

Lacey 1:11:56

Yeah, I definitely want my palm read.

Jasmine 1:11:58

You're so obsessed with the palm reading.

Lacey 1:12:00

I just-

Jasmine 1:12:01

We're gonna have to go to a psychic fair. Which will be very exciting, 'cause there's all kinds of things. Oh, she said that, um, r- she feels like reiki would help me, so now I'm obsessed with wanting to get reiki done.

Lacey 1:12:16

Which there's a place by us.

Jasmine 1:12:18

Yeah. I just-

Lacey 1:12:18

That also teaches reiki. That would be cool. I wanna learn reiki. I need to get a reiki session done first to see even what it is.

Jasmine 1:12:28

Yeah.

Lacey 1:12:29

But there is a place that does reiki that I really...

Jasmine 1:12:33

Yeah.

Lacey 1:12:35

We should do that soon.

Jasmine 1:12:37

Maybe mediums are gifted. Maybe they're intuitive psychologists. Maybe some are frauds. Maybe some truly believe. Or maybe the truth lives somewhere in between. But one thing is certain: as long as humans love, lose, and wonder what comes next, we will search for ways to speak to loved ones again, and somewhere, someone will always be willing to listen and claim they can help Tell us what you think. Have you ever had a reading? Did a medium tell you something impossible to know? Or do you think it's psychology and performance? As Lacey squeezes my putty.